4uNikodemo akaligitya, “Umuntu uhumile uli kutugwa aze mnyampala? Shanga uhumile kingila munda ang'wa nyinya nuakwe nkua a kabiili nu kutugwa, itii uhuile uli?”
5uYesu akasukiilya, “Huiila huiila muntu anga wahite kutugwa ku mazi nu ku Ng'wau Ng'welu, shanga uhumile kingila mu utemi nuang'wa Itunda.